Otra banda pionera dentro del punk alemán fueron estos Abwarts, formados en Hamburgo en 1979. Su primer single "Computerstaat" fue uno de los discos que más tiempo estuvo en la lista de discos independientes más vendidos. Su particular sonido punk con las primeras tendencias industriales fueron clave para la formación de bandas seminales de la escena más caótica comoDAF, EINSTRZENDE NEUBAUTEN o bandas míticas alemanas como DIE TOTEN HOSEN o RAMMSTEIN.

Ac4 might be the reunion that everybody has been waiting for. The runiting of forces between Old School scenesters. In 1989 the Ume Hardcore scene got kick started by Step Forward and in 1991 Refused took Ume Hardcore to the rest of the world. Step Forward was started by Dennis and Jens, Karl and David were huge fans. When Step Forward broke up Dennis and David started the by now legendary Refused and Karl and Jens started the Infamous The Vectors. Between the guys in the band their resume is impressive, how about bands like: Refused, David Sandstrm Overdrive, Regulations, The Vectors, The (International) Noise Conspiracy, The Lost Patrol Band, Instngd, Epileptic Terror Attack, Boredom Brothers, Final Exit to name a few. Ac4 debut is 15 songs of intense power. Fast furious Hardcore in the vein of Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, Negative Approach, Jerry's Kids, 7 Seconds etc etc. The Hardest challenge for the guys was not the regenerate the energy of being young but to write lyrics that fits with being 35+ and still being a punk. Check out the self reflection and struggles of growing old in a youth oriented scene in songs like Assassinate,Where are the Kids and I can do it.